What you read on a trans-Pacific flight is as important as when you read it, and while the perfectly-coiffed and spiffily-uniformed flight attendants of Korean Air Lines served two meals and an untold number of coffees in close quarters from San Francisco to Seoul with no appreciable change to their fashion-model hairdos, I had no such luck retaining equilibrium while reading the book in my carryon. What's surprising is that it was a gentle treatise on why it's helpful to think of Jesus and Buddha as brothers.
I have learned much from a student of Vietnamese Buddhist monk, author, and teacher Thich Nhat Hanh. Thanks to that student and a few others, including my darling wife, I understand more about the concept of "mindfulness," and more about Zen Buddhism, than I did in my wastrel youth. I also appreciate Hanh's well-deserved reputation as an apologist for Buddhism and a bridge-builder between Buddhism and Christianity.
All that needs to be said up front, because some of the things Hanh writes in his 1995 book, Living Buddha, Living Christ convinced me that he misunderstands at least part of the Christian critique of Buddhism.
I can't claim to be authoritative on that critique myself. “Comparative religion” sounds antiseptic to my ears. Moreover, my own faith is refracted solely through the prism of personal experience rather than through, say, the certification implied by a degree in theology. But as Paul Simon sang in the halcyon days when he was introducing African vocal harmonies to audiences in the United States, "I know what I know."
In a fascinating discussion that links the Buddhist concept of interbeing with the Christian concept of the Trinity, Hanh writes: "A Zen monk said, 'Before I began to practice [mindfulness], mountains were mountains and rivers were rivers. During many years of practice, mountains stopped being mountains and rivers stopped being rivers. Now as I understand things properly, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.' ”
"Thanks to the practice," Hanh observes, "this monk was able to see the nature of interbeing. He was no longer caught by the notions of self and non-self. Some people say that Buddhist practice is to dissolve the self. They do not understand that there is no self to be dissolved. There is only the notion of self to be transcended. As soon as you know mountains are made of rivers and everything else and rivers are made of mountains and everything else, it is safe to use the words "mountains" and "rivers." In Buddhist practice, what is essential is for you to recognize the nature of interbeing and transcend the notion of self and all its constraints. When you touch the reality of non-self, you touch at the same time nirvana, the ultimate dimension of being, and become free from fear, attachment, illusion, and craving."
The italics in the passage above are Hanh’s. There are echoes of Walt Whitman’s “I am large. I contain multitudes” here, but Hanh ups the ante by suggesting that “I” am not the operative subject, or the object, either.
Philosophy professor and writer Peter Kreeft may be among the people whom Hanh says misunderstand Buddhist practice. I think this passage from Kreeft's co-written Handbook of Christian Apologetics (1994, InterVarsity Press) has special relevance for further conversation about these matters. Judge for yourself:
"We shall use 'Eastern' and 'Western' here in an oversimplified way in order to make our main point as simple as possible...the West claims that the East is wrong on some points, and the East claims that there is no such thing as being wrong. A Hindu can believe everything, including Christianity, as a partial truth, or a stage along the way to total truth. Even contradictory ideas can be accepted as true: the stumbling block of East-West dialogue is the law of noncontradiction. The East's argument is that its notion of truth includes the West's, but not vice-versa; that the East is inclusive, the West exclusive. This is probably the main reason for the great popularity of Eastern religions in the West today, especially on an informal, unofficial level. Not many Americans are Hindus, but most prefer the Hindu notion of truth to the Western one, at least in religion."
Hanh confirms the accuracy of that summation by Kreeft and his co-author, one Ron Tacelli: "For a Buddhist to be attached to any doctrine, even a Buddhist one, is to betray the Buddha," Hanh writes.
Kreeft and his co-author explain the problem with received wisdom: "The real situation is just the opposite. The traditional West includes the East, not vice-versa. The West already understands the Eastern insight that there is such a thing as degrees of truth (i.e., degrees of understanding, depth, adequacy, wisdom). But the West adds that there is also such a thing as the law of noncontradiction. Contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time. The East does not admit this."
Back, then, to Thich Nhat Hanh. If, as he says, Buddhism teaches that there is no self to be dissolved, then it follows that there is no self to be redeemed, either. "Jesus loves me" as a statement of faith anchored in the Christian scriptures then makes no sense, because really there is no "me," and Jesus, God bless him, loves everybody or everything without differentiation.
Jews, too, will quibble with any Buddhist assertion of non-being. It’s all very well to chide Tevye the dairyman, whose Fiddler-on-the-Roof musing through “If I Were a Rich Man” writes an indictment against craving and attachment faster than a man exiting the hot bath at the Gyeongju Spring Dome. A rabbi can second that sentiment. But if there is no self, then what exactly did God create, walk in the cool of the evening with in the garden before the Fall, and eventually give commandments to? And why was the first man given the privilege of naming things? Did God give an illusion the busywork of cataloging other illusions?
Somewhere over the Pacific, and well before I realized that Hanh subscribed to a worldview that gave him a pass on the law of noncontradiction, I wondered how Hanh would square the notion of non-self with the well-known injunction of one Zen master to his student, "when you meet the Buddha, kill him!" On its face, that doesn’t seem to be the most enlightened advice. But as Hanh points out, a Buddha is anyone who is awake. Siddhartha, the original Buddha, showed the way, but in Buddhist thought, we're all potential Buddhas. In that light, Jesus was a Buddha, too, although of course he never identified himself as such. And what the Zen master of the harsh advice meant, Hanh says, is that "the student should kill the Buddha concept in order for him to experience the real Buddha directly."
Westerner that I am, Hanh’s explanation strikes me as something of a dodge. Given the non-self constraints in which Buddhism is working, wouldn’t the “real Buddha” be as ephemeral as any other self? Killing the Buddha is a waste of time if the Buddha is not really there, in a way that dying to self or emulating a grain of wheat (“if it die, it will yield a rich harvest”) are not wastes of time for Christians.
That Peter Kreeft was right to say that Thich Nhat Hanh and his tradition do not acknowledge the law of noncontradiction is apparent from Hanh’s critique of a statement by the late Pope John Paul II. In a book of his own, John Paul had asserted that Jesus Christ is “absolutely original and absolutely unique, the one mediator between God and humanity.” Hanh’s puzzled rejoinder is, “Of course Christ is unique. But who is not unique? Socrates, Muhammed, the Buddha, you, and I are all unique.” From there Hanh shifts to indignation: “The idea behind the statement, however, is the notion that Christianity provides the only way of salvation and all other religious traditions are of no use. This attitude excludes dialogue and fosters religious intolerance and discrimination,” Hanh chides. “It does not help.”
Hanh would have done better to read the late pope more closely. Neither John Paul nor the Catechism of the Catholic Church that he updated claims that non-Christian religions are “of no use.” More puzzling, though, is the ground of Hanh’s rejoinder. How can we all be unique if uniqueness is anchored in notions of self that must be transcended because there’s no there, there? Buddhism seems hard-pressed to explain the means by which its message is delivered.
Hanh contends that if one is a truly happy Christian, then one is also a Buddhist, and vice-versa. It’s an interesting thesis that draws whatever force it has from the practice of mindful living. For more enlightened or less judgmental readers, Hanh’s ecumenical instinct has perhaps the power and poetry of a translucent wave curling to foam in front of a setting sun while salt spray mists boogie boarders waiting for the next ride.
But my puzzlement may be summarized with an image from the singing rooms that new friends assure me are important to Korean culture (it’s karaoke, except one learns quickly not to use Japanese terms around Koreans): Hanh seems comfortable with the nonchalance of John Lennon’s “Imagine.” I wonder what he would make of the bracing reason in Aretha Franklin’s “Think”?
It would take a longer essay, and perhaps a round of soju, to figure that out.
Wednesday, July 19, 2006
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Patrick, your best thoughts yet, that I have read -- and that's some rarified air!
Good stuff...
Loy
That's a splendid bit of writing you've got there!
When scientists talk about wave-particles and warps in space-time and such. I understand what the words mean, I can understand and follow the concepts and I accept that as far as we can tell it's 'true', but it's all completely abstract, it has no grounding in anything I can truly comprehend from experience.
When people start talking about Buddhism -- and my wife is a Buddhist -- try as I might I get the same feeling. I understand the concepts philosophically, but they don't connect with me in my deepest soul.
But to be fair, when Christian theologians start philosophising about the nature of God, justification by Faith, the ransom and original sin and all that stuff, blow me down if I don't get the same reaction. It's a nice intellectual exercise, and I accept that it's true and I should live my life accordingly, but it doesn't have *meaning* to me, in the deepest most heartfelt sense of that word.
Yet when Christ says 'Cast your burdens on me', 'Come to me all you who are heavy laden', 'I know my sheep and my sheep know me' and all the many wonderful things he says in the Bible, my eyes well up and I understand. It means something, it's real and true to me in the deepest sense.
Yet again, I look at the Dalai Lama, and the forgiveness and forbearance he shows, and I feel like, whatever he stands for in the abstract, in the here and now of this world he's a true follower of Christ. Then I look over there, and I see the enemy -- there's no mistaking them. Perhaps we're meant to leave perfect understanding to the next world. Maybe in the here and now it's enough for us to stand shoulder to shoulder against the evil in the world and to let God do the rest.
You're absolutely right that the understanding of "not-self" or "emptiness" is the hardest thing to wrap your mind around in Buddhism. But it's also the thing that is the most liberating when we stop fighting what people like Thich Nhat Hanh are saying and really hear it. We can understand that a flower is made up of non-flower elements, in fact, there is no element "flower" that exists. It's the juxtaposition of time and space that manifests a one-of-a-kind, yet impermanent flower. Kinda cool, but so what? Right?
Well, then it's your turn to apply that to yourself. Hmmm... don't think I care for that idea. Shouldn't there be something about me that is "me", not just who and what have made me? Christians talk about a soul - not something we Buddhists subscribe to - but even if you talk about a soul, what is a soul made of? Nothing in the universe can be created or distroyed, things just re-arrange themselves. So is a soul actually a little piece of God? Something that exists both as God and you simultaneously? Not being a Christian, I don't know. But my guess is that if those questions sould like something you could answer "yes" to, then you're on your way to understanding what emptiness is all about.
Kip, what you're feeling when you encounter the real deal like HHDL, in my opinion has nothing to do with who he follows (I can promise that he's not a follower of Jesus) but that he has made a connection to that seemingly, and maddingly, frustrating concept of non-contradiction - that your soul can be yours, but not yours at the same time.
Cheryl,
I like what you said. Only caveat I'd add is that we're not capable of creating or destroying anything in the universe. All we do is rearrange. But God has no such limitation, which is why every soul, whatever else it is, is unique. Or so Christians believe.
Thanks for the reply Peter. I'm not a Christian, so I have no refernce for what "stuff" a soul would be made of. Is that question addressed in Christian teachings? If it's uniquely created out of nothing by God for each and every person, then you're right, Buddhists and Christians are fundamentally different and there's no resolving that basic difference. (which is fine with me, I'm not a ecumenical type, more of a life and let life type) It's interesting to me, though, that you consider that God can create the "rules" of the universe, but doesn't follow them - seems a bit capricious.
oops - hit the enter button before proofreading - that should be live and let live
:)
Cheryl, it's Patrick, not Peter. But I know what you meant. Catholic Christian teaching doesn't get into what a soul is made of, though of course some theologians speculate about things like that. If I had to guess, I'd say every soul is a unique expression of God's love, and leave it at that. As to whether God is bound by the laws of the universe He created, that's a big question. Most of what Christians know about God, we know through Jesus. We know that God doesn't contradict Himself, and that questions like "can God create a stone so heavy He can't lift it?" miss the point. We also know, per the account in the Book of Genesis to which Jews also subscribe, that God created the universe "ex nihilo" (literally, "out of nothing"). We don't think it's capricious to suggest that the eternal is not bound by the temporal. Your (Buddhist?) hunch that a soul can be yours, but not yours at the same time, is actually a fair restatement of Christian teaching, because we believe that we belong to Jesus Christ, who piad the debt we owed through his own sacrifice. In some early Christian writings, Paul describes himself as "a slave to Christ." But he also says that it's only in being a slave to Christ that we're free (from the tyranny of self). So some parts of Christian faith are paradoxical.
Hi Patrick, (sorry - it was a long day yesterday, my typing fingers and brain were not behaving!)
From what you wrote here, I would say that the Christian ideas actually are not very different from Buddhist ones about the self. In your original essay you complain that the logic seems circular - how can we talk about a unique person when there is no self - I think of that as the "space" part of the equation. I think what you're missing is the "time" part - that all of the elements making up the flower (or me) and the people who contributed to the present moment manifest into what we see around us. So when I understand impermanence and the not-self characteristic, and experience the reality of the inter-being-ness of all things, I too, am liberated from the tyranny of the self.
It sounds like you're also describing that God is the ground of being that the universe exists within - the universe has it's own laws, but that God being larger than the universe operates in ways outside those universal laws. In Buddhism, we talk about "Buddha nature" as the field of being; neither eternal nor extinguishable.
Contending that the Eastern religions get things wrong because they don’t subscribe to a law of non-contradiction seems curious considering that paradoxes remain in Christianity as well. A = A and B = B, if each of these statements is true, then A does not = B. However, the soul is yours but not yours at the same time, just as Jesus = Jesus and God = God, yet Jesus = God, too. Contradictory because if God doesn’t remain God, what was happening to the rest of the world while Jesus was walking the Earth and who was Jesus talking to when he prayed? Two things can be true at the same time. (no need to quibble about whether the East contains the West or vice versa)
I chuckled at your boogie board comment, while a nod to the Western concept of what Zen is all about, I would just ask that you look past the boogie boards to the ocean itself. I love the analogy of a wave; full of power, beautiful, dangerous, yet still part of the ocean. It’s unique and real, but it’s existence is dependent on all the factors, elements, and conditions that came just before it, and it is impermanent. It is a wave, it is the ocean – not either/or but both. Same thing for me; maybe for you with different vocabulary. I’m me with all the choices, responsibilities, joys, sorrows, and all the rest. Integral to me is all the “stuff” of the universe, the elements, the people, the families – I wouldn’t be here now without all of that – so I’m me and “that” at the same time.
At any rate, thank you for allowing me to trespass – it’s a fun discussion. :)
As a former western philosophy student/teacher who also happens to be practioner of some sort of Zen, I could only agree with last comment of Cheryl.
Actually, I know very well this emotional and intelectual discomfort that any serious practioner (or I should better say believer) of an Abrahmitic religion (be it Judaism, Christianity or Islam) gets from reading paradoxic, "inclusivist" statements made by eloquent Buddhists.
There is though a western-borne interface, a set of discursive tools and ideas, that could help facilitate the mutual understanding. This is of course helenistic philosophy that was included into catholic and other christian dogma/ theological 'corpus', especially into so called apofatic theology. You see, Thich Hanh is exactly of one ancient branch of Buddhism that tends to avoid discoursive thinking and discoursive practices (creating, transimitting and interpretating sophisticated "messages") and relies on ethically directed agency and contemplative practices mostly. Silence is gold, no words will actually feed a needy fellow "soul". Just as, say, Religious society of Friends are doing, or Fathers of the Desert did, or Dyonisius Areopagita and Master Eckhart were writing. Master Hanh is trying to explain, but of course evokes misunderstandings and criticism: this is natue of discoursive mind that always creates dualist, "black or white" evaluations of everything. Kierkegaard is a very clear exposure of this dramatic stance. Unfortunately, Dhyana (the tradition to which Master Hanh belongs) is to other direction. It is, if you want, discovering God as ineffable, inexplicable and only demonstratable through what Christians are calling agape and we buddhist karuna -- unconditional, active love. Thank you for your efforts to understand brother, but I am afraid there is not much to understand and reflect upon -- we must try to, if I may employ here Quaker terminology, lissten to the Inner Truth and immediatelly learn how to express it with all of "us".
I should point out that the famous saying:
"when you meet the Buddha, kill him!"
...has to be taken in context. The Zen Master was referring to a student claiming that he may fully understand the Buddha. Because the ultimate dimension of Buddha Nature is beyond our comprehension, then for anybody to claim to have met the Buddha must instead be chasing a fallacy, a false notion. It is the false notion that must be 'killed' so that the mind remains open to the true Buddha Nature. The Japanese aren't always well known for their tact. :)
- John
It would be nice when the western thought process would be able to understand that opposites exist in natural all the time and do not count each other out.
I don't think your reading on Nhat Hanh is correct. I was raised Catholic and was actually introduced to his work at a Catholic University. Even my former nun and my classmates had more of a understanding that your article seems to lack.
Do you think we could start finding commonalities instead of always saying someone is wrong. I thought Thay was being brave in doing some interfaith dialogue... at least he is talking and he has been influenced by some of the most brilliant mystical beings of the Christian faith.
It might help to open your heart with some compassion to find how we are all one, though use sociologically different words and different views than always having to say someone is wrong and someone is right... let's get past some dualism.
Jennifer, I don't think you read my essay, or the citation of Peter Kreeft in that essay, very carefully. Western thought already acknowledges that opposites exist.
I think I am able to find common ground with many of the things Hanh says and thinks. But there's no reason why a quest for common ground need involve checking your mind at the door, or surrendering the law of non-contradiction.
That you were introduced to Hanh at a Catholic university doesn't give his thinking additional credence. If I had a dime for everyone who said "I was raised Catholic, but...", I'd be financially independent.
Interfaith dialog that whitewashes real differences is dishonest. Better honest clarity than that, don't you think?
West and East. . .in this current climate, I think it is fair to assert that "West" and "East" refer only to directions on the globe. Not intending to simplify the differences among various cultures, but today's globalized society makes it very difficult to draw these conceptual distinctions and it is my belief that the rigid conceptual distinctions of "East" versus "West" belongs to a generation of thought that may fade from our consciousness sometime in the next 50 years. Last year, for example, a prominent buddhist organzation (Shinnyoen) conducted one of their services in a prominent Catholic Church in New York City.
Catholic doctrine asserts that "it is possible to know God outside of the Church" and I feel that this is very fair to the spirit of what Catholic (i.e. universal) really means. If someone forced me to label myself, I would use the word "Christian-Buddhist" as I am baptized and confirmed as a Roman Catholic and also a practicing lay buddhist.
I have recently met a Protestant whose ultimate Truth rings that Christ is the only way. Because I have been baptized and confirmed I feel his Truth run through my veins. . .but at the same time, as a practicing lay buddhist, there has been a transformation within where buddhist teachings have become part of my own being/practice. . .inseparable from my identity and faith in Jesus Christ. I would definitely invite Christians to explore buddhist teachings and I say thank you to everyone who has participated on this blog as it has stimulated my thoughts and feelings. If I may use the following analogy. I came into this world after my mother and father. buddhism and Christ are like my birthmother and birthfather respectively. To describe my identity/self/source as coming strictly from one parent would be less accurate than referring to both. Or put it this way: I have two functioning and healthy lungs. One belongs to buddha and the other to Christ. . .it is possible to function effectively with only one of my lungs, but i would rather choose to exercise and draw upon both. Mahalo and Aloha to all that come here. Thank you deeply and much Respect to all believers.
It's not necessary for Christians declare that Jesus is the only path to redemption for all people everywhere, even if we feel they should! The authority by which such pronouncements are made, the Bible, the Pope, etc. All too human, all too fallible. There is plenty of scripture references, Love Thy Neighbor, "he who is not against us is for us" etc. I don't think Nhat Hanh misunderstands, but I do think it is a different perspective than the one most Christians think out of.
H A N S E N, Alexandria, VA
I can understand how you are being distracted by the law of non-contradiction. In some ultimate sense, perhaps two different, utterly opposed things cannot be true at the same time. I think this is part of the classical Buddhist concept of dependent origination-cause and effect. Surely you would accept the "law" of cause and effect. And yet, the idea that there is always a cause of any effect is contradictory. What caused the first cause? How does the law of non-contradiction apply to the uncaused cause? These things we answer with stories, not logic.
The problem could be with the observe. We cannot know if the things are truly opposed, or if there is a explanation of their opposition we simply do not understand.
Thich's real Buddha is, I think, ultimate explanation. The Buddha of the monk who must be "killed" is simply what appears to be ultimate explanation given limited knowledge and understanding.
Be open to the truth you did not think was there. That's all that I think killing the Buddha means. For the Christian, I'd say be humble-God knows more than you ever will.
"Observe" should be "observer" in the last post.
I think that you are taking buddhism out of it original context with this argument and considering this from a more "western" perspective.
Forgive me, I did not read the ENTIRE article, but in the beginning section, which is what I'm mostly referring to, it seems that you're observing the differences without recognizing the intention in buddhism to disregard the illusion of a self.
I think the intention in Buddhism is to eliminate suffering, and when speaking about TRUTH, as in a moral sense, or in an actual sense that measures God or the reality of all things divine, Buddhists chose not to investigate that which they cannot conceive in the present moment; whereas christians desire to follow the dogma that promotes a consistency, and doesn't contradict itself.
I think what Hahn is trying to accomplish is to compare the intentions of each religion that is trying to do good, and not discuss the differences in dogmas unless it corresponds to the loving intention, but mostly so because the dogma of christianity isn't completely necessary within his process of teaching people about mindfulness; and that he only uses "living buddha living christ" as a way to attract christian audiences to see his philosophy.
He's just trying to help people do good. He's not trying to say what's right or wrong, and he certainly is not trying to convert anyone.
Re the comment from anonymous: OF COURSE I'm considering Buddhism from a more western perspective. I said so.
I also recognize that Hanh isn't (wasn't) trying to convert anyone, and was (is) trying to do good. We can stipulate all of that, and still say "here's my problem with what Hanh wrote, and here's the bigger Buddhist problem with the law of non-contradiction." I'm a westerner. I'm not invested in
"disregarding the illusion of self," because (per Christ's instruction) I think we're called to deny our respective selves, take up our crosses, and follow Jesus daily. Jesus died to redeem reality, not illusion.
You keep bringing up the law of non-contradiction. How do you explain the Trinity? Was Jesus God or human? If Jesus was really God, he didn't suffer in the same way we do. If he was truly human, he wasn't God. The Orthodox Christian view is this is mysterious-not something to explain logically.
I can accept that-there are things we just do not have the words to explain-it doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist or don't describe some aspect of what we are trying to convey. For example, how can you really explain the joy you feel to someone else? They don't have your experience and view point.
Here's another one-if God made the world so good, why did it have to be redeemed? Is God omniscient with complete power, or not? For us to have to be redeemed is not consistent with the notion of God's perfection and absolute power. And yet, we are sure we are not perfect, and that our only hope is if our lack of perfection does not doom us. No wonder the idea of a redeemer is so powerful.
How could there be an uncaused cause (God, in your view, no doubt) under the law of non-contradiction? Logically, every effect must have a cause. This is the insoluble paradox. The person whose faith is in logic can't get past this one.
The Buddhists actually do have a "law" of cause and effect-it is called dependent origination, and it figures quite prominently in their teachings. Still, the enlightened realize that it is not a complete explanation.
When a Buddhist says that there is no self, this betrays the limits of words. Emptiness, nothingness, no being, non-existence and other such expressions are not exactly accurate. Consider this in this context-to say that God is something specific limits God. That's why the Jewish tradition is not to speak God's name-the Islamic tradition is to shy away from images of people and animals in religious art. The Buddhist rhetoric tries to get beyond the limitation of words. "Nothingness" does not mean uselessness. Consider the emptiness of a cup. It is what is not there that is useful. A cup without emptiness won't let you fill it. Perhaps God can be characterized as nothing and everything. Even that, however, will not convey exactly what God is.
There are plenty of contradictions in all religions if you try to analyze them logically. That is because we are limited in our ability to understand, whether by design or fault. Religion is our attempt to understand what we do not know that causes our anxiety, and can't be proven logically. To call it illogical isn't a knock-it is simply an acknowledgement of our limitations. Being less than perfect in logic doesn't render religion useless, either. But we must be careful not to let our imperfect words lead us into positions that would cause evil and suffering-a goal, for what ever reason, many of us seem to share.
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This article is silly. The author is playing games with concepts and words that fall short of any true understanding of the subject matter. A fun intellectual game, nothing more. Don't get caught up in this if you are interested in what he is trying to talk about.
"How could there be an uncaused cause (God, in your view, no doubt) under the law of non-contradiction? Logically, every effect must have a cause. This is the insoluble paradox. The person whose faith is in logic can't get past this one."--from a comment above.
The Buddha explicitly taught that he didn't deal in questions of origins because they would drive a person nuts.
I'm a Buddhist, studied with Thich Nhat Hanh, and think this is a great post. That said, I think that vocabulary is a problem. People often use the term illusion or illusory where one might best say conditioned. It's not so much that there is no self, but that the self is conditioned, predicated on other causes and conditions. It has an existence but a conditioned one, not one independently existing. Thay may have used the word "illusion" in his book--I haven't read it. That said, the general discussion, emptiness/dependent co-origination, in Buddhism is not about saying things "don't exist."
I understand where you're coming from, but you should realize that buddhist teachings are not meant to be taken as absolutes and completely literally. Of course, I would argue the same thing for things we read in the Bible, but many christian fundamentalists would disagree. There is a famous saying, that one should not confuse the finger for the moon. There are things which can be alluded but never truly be understood by conceptualizing them, you must experience directly.
The point about the self is clear, and even from a scientific viewpoint it makes sense. There is a conventional self, of course, and no one would deny that. We were born, recieved a name, and were conditioned by various people and institutions. We have a job, we have unique physical features, a voice that sounds distinct. We have our beliefs, our talents, our hobbies. We have organs, a brain, a mind, etc...But which of these things is this ME that we talk about. The fact of the matter is, we cannot define this SELF that we believe to exists without referencing things that are obviously NOT the self. Furthermore, we are contantly changing. Various chemical reactions are happening in our bodies, we are breathing in and out, we meet new people and become influenced by new ideas. There is nothing real and absolutely constant that resides only within ourselves which we can point to and say "THIS IS ME!." In fact, that we continually try to do this becomes a huge obstocle to our happiness and peace. Other things, what we would call 'non self' do not stand up to this kind of scrutiny either. We cannot locate anything that exists completely in and of itself, that does not change form. The true essence of things seems to be elusive. That is because everything truly is interelated, you cannot have this without that.
The arbitrary boundaries we define between one thing and another allow us to conceptualize the world, make predictions and so on, but this kind of truth is only conventional. The objects of our thoughts only exist in the abstract of our imaginations, the REAL thing is only a part of a whole, dependent on unknowable causes and conditions, an infinite amount even!
None of this is to say that you and I are not real, it is just not the kind of real that we often think, or wish it were. That is absolute, concrete, intrinsic. This is an important distinction. This is emptiness. To many, what at first seems to be a pessimistic and ignorant, paradoxical claim about reality turns out to be the most basic and fundamental truth that one can imagine once it is directly experienced. But the western approach is to intellectualize all of this, failing to realize that the intellectualizing of things is what creates these artificial distinctions to begin with. No where else but within the mind do these divisions and absolutes really exist.
And remember the Buddha's teaching that you should not accept his teachings as truth simply because you have faith in what he says. You should only accept that which you realize to be true through your own experience..and remember the teachings are only a vehicle, they are not the real embodiment of truth. The real truth of course cannot be reduced to concept or form, it is trully inneffable.
Peace and Love
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